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Lostris · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 12:05 am

No problem with your English, Maatkara. I think I'm too stupid...

Oh, yes, I finally understand what you said about Hawass

Sorry for my "dark" thoughts... So I think Hawass did that test becouse he didn't belive that was really Nefertiti. But I don't know what's the difference... Maybe they can "disturb" a mummy which is not a king, just a normal person. (But in my opinion, a worker's mummy worth as much as a king). A lot of people don't belive the mummy that doctor Fletcher found isn't Nefertiti and I'm sure Hawass doesn't belive it too. May he thought he can 'disturb' it. But I think doing a DNA test isn't disturbing. So maybe, as you said, he wants more and more money :lol:

May Hawass' little favourite is King Tut... :lol:

the_tutness_is_here · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 8:13 am

Lostris · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 9:07 am

I belive in modern egyptology. Thanks God in Champollion's time there wasn't TV... :lol:

kmt_sesh · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 5:12 pm

the_tutness_is_here · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 5:51 pm

Lostris · **Posted:** Tue May 17, 2005 5:28 am

So sad...

I'd be interested in Akhenaten's mummy. As I saw from his statues, he was a very nice man (I hate those who say he was extremely ugly - they're wrong! He was beautiful!) I was wondering if he was like his statues in real life. Hope yes. Anyway, that's true that a pharaoh's mummy can be more famous and celebrated like a scribe's, but I think we shold give the last regard for the workers, too, and respect them. But, yes, most people prefer a king's mummy than a workers. I think both of them are interesting. Expecially Akhenaten would be interesting... :oops:

Hehehe...

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the_tutness_is_here · **Posted:** Tue May 17, 2005 10:26 am

I agree with you, Lostris...my friend saw a picture of his giant statue from the Cairo museum, and she called him "ugly as sin". :shock:

I thought it was mean...Akhenaten defies the laws of proportion, it's true, but that's what makes us look at him in awe and wonder. He is beautiful in his own way, lol. :wink:

Lostris · **Posted:** Tue May 17, 2005 10:39 am

Yes, yes, yes!!! I think too!!!! Just look at his beautiful long nose and mysterious eyes and that wonderful mouth... Yes, his body was... ehum... weird, but I like him in that case too if he had a body like a hippo. I adore him! Akhenaten ruleZ!!!

the_tutness_is_here · **Posted:** Tue May 17, 2005 12:09 pm

I share that enthusiasm with you, Lostris!! ^_^ I love to study on Tut AND Akhenaten, and they are father and son, so it's even MORE interesting!! :lol:

Si-amun · **Posted:** Tue May 17, 2005 2:06 pm

Sorry to do this again, but it is not a concrete fact that they were father and son, although I believe theyw ere, it has yet to be proven completely (I think).

the_tutness_is_here · **Posted:** Tue May 17, 2005 4:36 pm

I'm glad you also believe that they were father and son, Si-amun. And the only evidence found was a Stele in Akhetaten that read: "King's own bodily son, his beloved, Tutankhaten." Though Osiris II and I already talked on the subject in another forum, I still strongly believe that they were Father and son, and if ANY more evidence can be found on this, I will die happy! lol. :lol:

kmt_sesh · **Posted:** Tue May 17, 2005 4:51 pm

the_tutness_is_here · **Posted:** Tue May 17, 2005 5:15 pm

Ah, my old friend kmt_sesh!

Thank you...I meet few people that believe that Tut and Akhenaten were father and son, and I'm glad you share my belief. I also argued that Amenhotep III was too sickly and old. And the stele that was found to declare Tut as a king's son, was found in Akhetaten, and even if Amenhotep III was miraculously alive, he would be in Thebes, possibly dieing from the absess in his teeth, which has been known to be fatal.

As for Akhenaten's art form, I both agree and disagree with you, which seems odd now, but let me explain:

Akhenaten also wanted the artists in his new capital to use the art form according to Maat, or "Truth".I agree that Akhenaten was obviously NOT andrognyous in real life, and he wanted to make himself the ultimate deity, portraying himself as the creator god, both father AND mother.

However, as for his physical appearance, he wanted to portray himself as he was, imperfect and according to the truth. He seemed like an honest pharaoh on THAT aspect. :wink:

And the literary part--if you read "The Children of the Lamp: The Akhenaten Adventure" (and I have a forum for this in the coffee lounge), I promise you nothing but repulsive imagery, because it is dreadfull enough that the author--P.B. Kerr--made him an evil jinn spirit whose mother was a witch.

And they made him very...demonic...and I tossed the book aside. I know it's fiction, but when it comes to one of my favorite pharaohs--and a family man, according to some artwork--that was just degredation at its best.

So, it seems, ol' Akhenaten not only "founded Heliopolis", but he was an evil jinn?! :shock:

(And I hope you got the inside joke on the whole "Heliopolis" thing, kmt!! :lol:

).

Osiris II · **Posted:** Tue May 17, 2005 5:17 pm

kmt_sesh has written:
I for one completely doubt it was Amunhotep III, who by all accounts was quite ill and weak by the late part of his reign; if the body identified as Amunhotep III is in fact him (that's not 100% certain), he was also rather obese in his "golden years." I also don't see it as being the mysterious Smenkaure, whose short reign came along too late for this. I think Akhenaten is the likeliest person as the father of Tutankhamun.
May I suggest that you get a copy of Frederick J. Giles' "The Amarna Years: Egypt" He has excellent arguments for a co-regency between Akhenaten and his father, Amenhotep III.
He has written 5, so be sure to get the "Egypt" edition.

the_tutness_is_here · **Posted:** Tue May 17, 2005 5:27 pm

Somehow, Osiris II, I KNEW you would come onto this particular forum!! :wink:

And we DID debate on this in the other forum...the "Arguing with Hawass" forum I believe it was. It's great to hear your end, and I actually would like to read the book you have reccomended. My research came from Nicholas Reeves' "The Complete Tutankhamun", though it was short-lived, due to the fact that it was a library book, and had to return it, sadly...