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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:09 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:56 pm 
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I was thinking the same thing. This is just like going to my neighbor's house, taking something of their's and take it to my house and say it's mine cuz I found it.

This is one subject I can't let go of. I don't understand how anyone can say Nefertiti should stay in Berlin.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:16 pm 
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And the Egytpians are very glad that you did take care of the stone but its
the key to their language one of the most imporant historic relics
for them and to say that Cairo Museum would destroy it really
is to offend them and Dr. Hawass. I am totally convinsed that
this stone would be placed in such good condision at the Museum
and would be one of the proudest thing the Egyptians would have!

And when it comes to educating aspekts, so must i say that those
who really needs to be educated is us :oops: in the western
civilazion who thinks that we are so dumb that if we sent those relics back
where they belong we would not now abut them and Egyptian history!

We can afford te trippto Egypt but the Egyptians cant afford the tripp
to all our countries to be able to see their own historic relics


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:48 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:54 am 
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and dont agree with your opinion abut the Museum.

Dont think that the Museum in Berlin is so much better ...
The Museum in London I have not visit so I wont comment on that.

Now to a little example:

When the Nazis hade their "EMPIRE" they collected a lot of treasures
and relics around the world!!! but one they found in Dresden (Sofia Church)

It was a coffin hanging inside the church from its roof with a collection
of coins and jewelry put there by the families burred under the floor
in the church. In 1999 this long lost treasure surfers in Oslo Norway.
The Germans claimed that this was a bit of ancient German history and
they claimed it belonged in Germany with the German people

Now comes the example everyone should follow

The Norwegian government step in and take responsibility
They order the Museum to send the collection back
and so they did and it now once again is where it belong!!

This should they them self think of when they are abusing
the Bust of Nefertiti and when the Egyptian people wants their
History back home where it belongs.

And the History of ancient Egypt belongs to Egypt first of all
the world cant claim it then look the other way for things
that have no money involved :!: Like crises around the world
and we must stop this world police business by your countries
and follow some law an order when we are doing it.
To free people and help people in need is something good
but to do so just to claim there oil and money is bad

"With great power comes big responsibility if one is not up to that
one should give the power to someone else who is"

Guess whos word this is :wink:

Finally I think that Germans and Englishman are nice people
and hope that AMON have mercy on your when you cross the
river :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:25 am 
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So what that Berlin has a bust of Nefertiti! The Cairo museum has a more well-known icon of ancient egypt than Nefertiti, Tut's death mask! So what that the british museum has the Rosetta Stone, so what that a few museums have a few Egyptian relics. Egypt has all the pyramids, all the tombs and all the temples!
They are doing no harm where the are and, as I previously stated, encourage people to visit the real Egypt. If they weren't there I don't think there would be half the enthusiams to visit the real Egypt.
In addition, many people couldn't afford to go to Egypt for real. Museums around the world are their only way of seeing things.
I'm not saying that stealing is right, just to let sleeping dogs lie!


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:44 am 
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So you would like the Museum of Stockholm to contain relics that only relate to your country's limited past?

I thought not.

In response to the Nazi hope of the Reichsmuseum, which was going to contain all the treasures from the Nazi Empire (and I mean everything), naturally I disagree with that. Every country should have some relics from every other country. That's the way it works, and the way it's always worked. It is ludicrous for every country to have all its relics, and for no other countries to have any of them. Otherwise, like you say, the people of each country will not have any foreign relics to see.

The objects in the (fantastic) British museum all bear special significance to Britian herself. Just to take a random example, the coffin of Ankhnesneferibre in the BM was bought by a mad old Earl in the 1800s and used as a dummy-coffin for Prince Edward to 'find' when he visited Egypt. The Shabaqo stone, to take a famous example, was saved by the British after being used as a millstone by the Egyptians- destroying their heritage.

This argument is ridiculous. The Nefertiti bust belongs to the Germans- it is the Berlin Museum's most famed Exhibit, on top of their limited Egyptian collection. What do you want global museums to have that relates to Egypt? Broken Ushabtis? Replica urns? The world needs to know about Egypt- if Napoleon had not brought back relics to France then the chances are that the world would not care, or even know about Egypt. The Egyptians and Muhhamed Ali (who blew up an entire temple when the British disobeyed him) would have done irreversable damage to their country's heritage.


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