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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:35 pm 
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Cool! And, how do you change your MSN name to a phrase? I never got how to do that...


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 3:30 pm 
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Of course Hatshepsut was not the only female pharaoh. If we are going to get picky about the title 'pharaoh' fine, lets use the term 'ruler' or 'king' even as Hatshepsut indeed did. Apart from Hatshepsut, we have Nitocris at the end of the 6th Dynasty, Sobeknefru at the end of the 12th and Twosret at the end of the 19th. Add to that women like Meriates and Khentkawes, both of whom appeared to have ruled as pharaoh, the lack of cooberating evidence the only thing stopping it being universally acknowledged.
The term 'Queen' as used in the Ptolemaic period may just have been how later historians described the women being that female rulers had become more common but we must understand that while the Ptoelmies ruled in the greek manner, all religious/temple inscriptions would have been in Ancient Egyptian, which didn't have a word for a ruling queen. The word 'queen' simply meant 'King's Wife' so it's highly unlikely that the Ptolemiac women who ruled as pharaoh would have used the title 'queen' being that it relegates their role to than of an appendage of their husbands.


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The name Pharaoh certainly does come from the 'greekified' version of per-aa (per= house aa=great). The word for house is masculine, and so as a result there is no reason to change it. Per and aa were two seperate words in Egyptian.

Per-aa was used in the Old and Middle kingdoms to refer to the Pharaoh's estate, but in the New Kingdom it was used by the later Pharoahs as a sort of royal title.

Pharaohs in Hatshepsut's time called themselves 'nesw-bity' literally he of the sedge-wick and of the bee. This meant that the Pharaoh was the ruler of both upper and lower Egypt. So Hatshepsut would never have been referred to as Pharaoh (or per-aa for that matter) whilst she was alive.

Also, the word Pharaoh in greek is Pharo' and is the same in both masculine and feminine forms. So Pharaoh can be masculine or feminine, if you trace it back to Greek or Hieroglyphs


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:57 am 
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That would have made sense to say she was like Geb, a male with breasts XD


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 12:50 pm 
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No Bel. She was not the only female ruler to leave clues behind. I think what Osiris II means is that she was the only female pharaoh who argued that being a woman did not affect her role as a divine male god on earth.

Although she was not the only female pharoah, she was the only female ruler to publicly use the pronoun 'she' in her inscriptions. In her inscriptions she puts '-s' after every verb that she 'does' and uses the feminine ending '-t' on all of the adjectives that apply to her.
The other female Pharaohs (almost always) used 'he' to refer to themselves rather than 'she', as Hatshepsut did.

Whilst the other female pharoahs hid their femininity, Hatshepsut used it in a very masculine way.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 1:33 pm 
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Kiya, this is a quote from the first of the link you provided. It seems to prove my point--that although other women ruled Egypt, the only female ruler who took all attributed of a male pharoah was Hatshepsut.

Apart from Hatshepsut and Cleopatra, whose careers are described elsewhere in this web site, the record is too murky to produce a definitive list of women who reigned as pharaoh. There are some who probably ruled, but might not have, and there are some who probably did not, but might have.

Actually, her claiming to be the "son" of god and chosen to rule, being a male in a female's body, was more than likely the reason for her temples and inscriptions to be defaced. Tothmose III was more concerned with disproving any woman's claim of being Pharaoh--only a male could be pharaoh.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:23 am 
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The effacing of Hatshepsut during the reign of Tuthmosis the Third was originally atributed to his being angered by his cruel stepmother.
It however seems more likely, as Osiris II said, that Tuthmosis was more concerned with restoring 'maat', and thus he tried removed the radical Hatshepsut from history.


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